Monday, August 4, 2008

Reed: Obama for President - YES

The coin has fallen, and I take the role of Obama advocate. It's not too difficult, either, because when one considers the foibles and fallacies of the previous eight years (can you say "I'm the decider"?), it's easy to assume that anyone who has said he/she won't follow current policy is the obvious choice.

Barack Obama's critics will first and foremost stress his inexperience, especially when it comes to foreign policy. John McCain lambasted Obama for offering his opinions on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan in spite of the fact that "he's only been to Iraq once, and has never been to Afghanistan." Talk about throwing down the gauntlet! And what happened? I think McCain has learned the truth in the old adage, be careful what you wish for - you may get it.

Obama went to Iraq and Afghanistan, talked to the troops and commanders, and conferred with leaders of those and other countries whose interests are affected. He then moved on to Europe, where he spoke to more than 200,000 people in Germany, many of whom were waving American flags as a tribute to one who they perceived to be a viable ally and leader.

Tell me please, when was the last time our allies in Europe felt compelled to wave our flag instead of burn it?

Be that as it may, the "inexperience" argument may fly with some, until we consider some history. Another politician from Illinois made it to the White House in 1861. Prior to his ascension to the Presidency, Abraham Lincoln served eight years in the Illionois General Assembly and two years in the U.S. House of Representatives - a total of ten years in political office.
Compare that to Senator Obama - seven years in the Illinois Senate, three years in the U.S. Senate, ten years in political office. Whoa - coincidence? Experience is only as important as the skills and wisdom we gain from it. Many experienced politicians, Hoover, Johnson and Nixon among them, failed the nation and her citizens through poor leadership and unwise decisions in spite of years of experience.

Leaders are indeed born, and from his early years, Barack Obama has proven himself a leader. Coming from a modest background, he graduated from Columbia University and went on to Harvard Law School where, in 1990, he became the first African-American President of the prestigious Harvard Law Review (see http://www.notablebiographies.com). After graduation from Harvard he turned down high-paying jobs with Manhattan law firms to move to Chicago and focus on civil rights law.

This is the kind of decision-making skill that gets one's head carved into a granite monument on a mountainside - foregoing the pleasures that money and power can bring to work for the greater good. And it is decision-making skills, as opposed to experience, that make the difference between a politician and a statesman.

Perhaps the most compelling reason I have for believing that Senator Obama is indeed qualified to lead our nation rests in a story that began in October of 2002. Support was growing for the Bush Administration's push for military action in Iraq. No facts supported such a strategy, so the administration used lies, innuendo and faulty intelligence to prod Congress into approving a war resolution. Sixty-one percent of Democrats in the House and Senate approved the President's request for authorization of military force against Saddam's regime.

(For more information, see http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution).

And it is interesting to note that many, including 2004 Presidential nominee John Kerry and Obama's primary rival, Senator Hillary Clinton, both subsequently expressed regret for their support of the resolution. The 2006 Congressional elections were a clear sign that the American public was tired of a trumped-up war that Americans now felt should never have been waged.

But in a speech in Chicago on the eve of Congress' approval of the resolution, Obama, then a state Senator from Illinois, spoke passionately of the need to avoid the war in Iraq. In his speech he called on America to avoid what he referred to as "a dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics" (see citation link, next paragraph). And while he agreed with President Bush that Saddam Hussein was a dictator whose removal would be applauded, he noted, correctly, as the facts have demonstrated, that Saddam's government and military were bankrupt and impotent and posed no grave danger to the world.

Senator Obama then spoke words which still ring with prescience. "I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences." (The text of the speech can be found at many sources, including http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/02/28/7343).

When a young, vibrant, passionate man stands and presents himself to the nation and the world in such a powerful and prophetic manner, the reasonable person can only listen, and observe, and agree - this man, Barack Obama, has the mind, the heart, and the soul of a leader. I say, let's let him lead. To read Dano's point of view, click here.

17 comments:

Dano said...

Good Job, Reed. But is that all you could find to recommend Obama--that he has a history similar to Lincoln's? Times were different in the mid 1800's, to be sure...though some might argue we have a similar level of divisiveness today (arguable point). I admit I didn't go back more than 100 years in my research, but, even Lincoln served as a Captain in the military (Black Hawk War) prior to becoming Commander in Chief. He never saw combat in this role, but it's something Obama can't say.


But Lincoln's record is clear--he argued at least 400 cases in front of the Supreme Court (which, while private in character, still gives a great deal of information about the man's positions...something we don't really have for Obama).

And how do you respond to Obama's voting record (all the present votes on important Democratic issues)?

Anonymous said...

Both excellent arguments, gentlemen!

But, while obviously political experience is the most important qualifying factor for the Commander in Chief post, I'd like to know how each of you speak to both candidates' other, in my mind, qualifications. For instance, how well rounded is each? In a say, job interview, experience Is at the top of the list in considering one for a given position. However, there Are other considerations such as networking (who are they connected with?), ability to handle stress under pressure, etc. Are there any facts that would enlighten about these other type issues?

Reed Mahoney said...

Your arguments were great as well, Dano. In regard to Obama's "present" votes, I can say only that, if I were in a legislative body, and my constituents' desires were in sharp contrast to my personal beliefs, I might be compelled to vote "present" - and the issues on which he cast this vote social issues where one's constituency might be very divided.

I wonder, though, if Obama had served as Governor of Illinois, would it have changed him so much that he would, in your eyes, now be qualified to be President. This experience question rankles me - how would any of us have gotten our jobs in the first place?

Obama's record is as clear as Lincoln's - clearer, in fact, due to the intense scrutiny he is under in real time. Dedicated to country, and to it's individual citizens, and willing to work across the aisle to accomplish good things - what a refreshing contrast to the last eight years!

Dano said...

Thanks for the arguments/comments, Deb!

I think you're absolutely right. Everybody has their own idea about what equals "qualified" for a given job. I argued that the ability of a junior senator with a populace that did not provide a mandate in terms of the popular vote might have trouble forming consensus in a split Congress. But I'm not sure McCain would be any more capable of doing that, considering that he is just as unlikely to garner a majority of the popular vote, and will be working with a Democratically controlled congress. There is much to consider here, at least in terms of your "networking" argument.

Dano said...

Reed...the "how would any of us have gotten our jobs in the first place, without experience" argument is relevant for youngsters seeking a first job, and anyone switching careers midstream. Otherwise, I don't buy it as a valid argument. We don't tend to "take a cahnce" on a newbee in government service, particularly not elected office. Surely there are better supportive positions for Obama, no?

Anonymous said...

Reed, I think that you have made very lucid points, but then I agreed with you already.

Obama has made exceptional strides in the last 4 years, since I and (I assume) most of us had never heard of him before the last Democratic National Convention. I believe that he is a born leader, a visionary, and the man who can & should lead this country into a new era of humanitarianism, ecology, and international leadership. International leadership, in particular, has dwindled severely in the past 8 years, under Republican leadership. It will be great to hear some coherent Presidential comments for a change.

J.T. Twilley said...

The attack on Obama for not going to Iraq and Afganistan were silly. And it gave Obama a great opening to go on a World Tour and act presidential. Obama has so many advantages over McCain. Reed, you tried to make a point that Obama did have some experience. I would have argued that a string of experienced politicians or lifelong government sector workers have got us where we are today. Maybe someone with a little less experience is a good thing. McCain has had decades in the Senate to affect change and just about every bill his name has been on that passed, many on his own side would argue, made the situation worse. Lack of experience in Washington is not a bad thing.

Obama is likely to be the Democrat's version of the Great Communicator. That's refreshing to the country after 8 years of Bush.

I offer even another reason that an Obama presidency is a good thing. An Obama victory would give Democrats all three branches of government. Even if you are conservative, you shouldn't expect conservative leadership from McCain. But with Obama and Democrats in control it just may spark more fiscal conservatism. Bush hasn't been fiscally conservative, but he screwed up so many other things, people have ignored the greatest damage he's done -- the domestic front. Give Obama and Democrats a chance. If they succeed on the Domestic front, great. If not, fiscal conservatives can be sure the nation will come running to their corner.

Dano said...

j.t. twilley, you make a great point, here.

The simple fact is that everything will probably boil down to personal, subjective feelings about what constitutes good, and what constitutes bad. Once we get the facts straight (which is part of our purpose, here), we are left with a clear picture of what each candidate has to offer. Everyone must decide whether they have a problem with either candidate at that point. It is ultimately going to come down to people voting their emotions, based upon subjective thresholds on various issues. That's fine, just so long as people have the accurate facts by which to form their opinions!

Reed Mahoney said...

Thank you, J.T., for your insightful views. I'm with you. A government with both legislative and executive branches working together on a different page than that the Republicans worked on will probably put us back on the road to social honesty and fiscal conservatism, and the judicial branch can't help but reap the benefit as well. Let's all get on the same page and do some good for a "change" - no pun intended.

father frankee said...

As a newbie commenter, I guess I'm not "qualified" to comment...? Hey, wait! Reed gave me the web address, I have a computer, and maybe if I put my views out there, I might get SOME support.

Yes, I agreed with the comments...even those of Dano- Obama does have a dearth of experience.

But I have a teeny-weenie issue with the phrasing of the question for debate: "Obama for President". If he's over 35 years old and an American citizen, he's "qualified" to run for and be President.

It's simply up to each one of us to decide if his visions measure up to what we want for our nation.

His views match mine way more than the white-haired dude...and that, simply, is why Obama should be President.

Sorry if I sound simplistic but some issues just strike me as no-brainers.

Oh yeah- kudos to youse guys for putting this forum together. Great idea!

Dano said...

Frankee...that sounds as non-supportive as Bill Clinton did yesterday. When asked if Obama was qualified to be president, he responded that the Constitution lists the qualifications for president. Okay, but doesn't it really just list the absolute minimum qualifications? And don't we care more about qualifications than that? Is my retarded cousin, Kenny, qualified to president because he's 41 and was born in Chattahoochee, FL, even though he's dimmer than my hamster (ok...no W jokes, here)?

father frankee said...

Ahh, no, Dano. I'm afraid you missed my point.

With all due respect to your mentally-challenged cousin, though he may be "technically qualified", I doubt his views would match mine...or millions of others.

Just because one has an extensive resume does not make him or her the best person at the right time.

In fact, that resume may have that person so locked into the "old" ways of doing things, that they cannot see "new" directions or possibilities.

Obama has all the "technical" qualifications that he needs to be President. (Thomas Jefferson and John Kennedy had very little more.)

I choose to support him not because of those limited qualifications, but because he has inspired me to once again think that America can be a great country, that we can recognize our mistakes but move forward to be even better. He appeals to ideals greater than ourselves.

I haven't heard that kind of talk, or seen that kind of leadership in a very long time.

GW had executive experience. He surrounded himself with people who had decades of experience. Look at where THAT got us.

In business, art, medicine, or politics, sometimes you need someone who doesn't know what the "limits" are, who believes that by hard work, belief in a greater good and a real vision for the future that we CAN succeed.

Obama believes in us. He believes that we can be better than we ever were. That we can regain the recognition of Leader of the World.

And I believe that...

"YES- WE CAN!"

Yes...We CAN!

bucfan251 said...

i agree with father frankee, good points. yes we can.......

Dano and Reed said...

REMEMBER, EVERYONE... WE FLIPPED A COIN TO CHOOSE WHAT SIDE WE'D BE ON.

father frankee said...

Hey! I read the rules! What's with all the caps?!! I'm gonna report you to Reed and Dano so you'll get a "Warning"!

Oh. YOU'RE Re-... 'scuze me. Heh-heh. Caps away, guys. Just gimme three steps...

Dano and Reed said...

An interesting note...

We discussed whether or not we should maintain the coin-flip position in our responses to comments, and decided it would be best if we did. Over time, despite our attempt to keep our personal views out of the blog, they will doubtless emerge. We've discussed the concern that, given even two weeks of arguing "across grain," or for something we don't personally support (or vice versa), we might get reputations we don't deserve. Again, this is an experiment. It may not work in the end, but for now, as long as everyone is respectful, I think we can take the punches.

Sorry to have violated the all CAPS rule.

Dano said...

Father Frankee,

I didn't miss your point. I am merely playing the role of contentious blog host by trying to drag more out of commenters :).

Also, I thought Bill Clinton's comments were shameful, considering he vowed to support Obama all the way to the White House. Why couldn't he have said, "yes, he's qualified?" Reed (and you) have certainly made the point that he is more than just technically qualified, and I don't understand why Clinton could not have done likewise, other than that he seems to still be very angry at Obama for beating Hillary out of the nomination. Still, he vowed support.